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Ries: Blue Ocean Strategy = The Origin Of Brands?

Posted by Mark Goren on 500 Points
I found many of the arguments put forth in The Origin of Brands were similar to those in Blue Ocean Strategy. The main difference being that Al + Laura would argue that new brands need an enemy, while in BOS, it's argued that you should set out to make the competition irrelevant.

In your mind, which approach is more powerful?

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  • Posted on Accepted
    We seem to be making analogies more easily with this book. Synapses firing and all that. I love your idea of Blue Ocean Strategy because I prefer to be "for" something vs. "against" something.

    This is also where the portion of your marketplace dominated by women will go. Might that be the greater portion? I say it is. I say positive and creation as new space entirely without going against old are winners.

    What are others' points of view?
  • Posted by Stephen Denny on Member
    If I remember correctly, Blue Ocean talked about finding the seam of higher functionality and value plus lower cost structure. This is a terribly powerful concept and very inspiring.
  • Posted by Mark Goren on Author
    Great point, Stephen.

    I always laugh when I hear "Blue Ocean Strategy". Not because of the concept, it's obviously quite brilliant. More because of how agencies reacted to it.

    I know of one agency that claimed it as a regular process, when in fact they had never once employed it. It become a catch phrase you knew they would abandon once the new flavour of the day came along.

    Sure enough, it was dumped - even though the BOS strategy lesson is a sure winner in theory.

    Now, back to the original question: did anyone else find a similarity between the two books.

    You can find a refresher here: https://www.blueoceanstrategy.com/qandamenu.html
  • Posted by Mark Goren on Author
    Great points, Valeria and Stephen.

    I always laugh when I hear "Blue Ocean Strategy". Not because of the concept, it's obviously quite brilliant. More because of how agencies reacted to it.

    I know of one agency that claimed it as a regular process, when in fact they had never once employed it. It became a catch phrase you knew they would abandon once the new flavor of the day came along.

    Sure enough, it was dumped - even though the BOS is a sure winner in theory.

    Now, back to the original question: did anyone else find a similarity between the two books?

    You can find a BOS refresher here: https://www.blueoceanstrategy.com/qandamenu.html
  • Posted by Mark Goren on Author
    Apologies for the double post, not sure why that happened. Please refer to the second post, which is the one I intended on posting.

    Oops.
  • Posted on Accepted
    Certainly Blue Ocean strategy is another way of saying “Create a new category you can be first in.”

    However, the lack of competition is not necessarily advantageous for the first company to launch a new brand in a new category. The more competitors that jump into the market, the more they validate the category. The best thing that ever happened to Coca-Cola may have been Pepsi. It made the category more important and more interesting.

    Then take one of the most successful brands in the 21st century, Red Bull. Today, Red Bull has hundreds of competitors, yet still has some 50 percent share of the energy drink market. Last year, Red Bull did $3.4 billion in worldwide sales. Without the competition, the brand would probably be just a minor factor in the soft drink market.

    I will say, the branding of Blue Ocean Strategy has been brilliant. The words themselves are fantastic. A major reason it has become such a buzzword and bestselling book.

  • Posted by Mark Goren on Author
    Laura, doesn't it stand to reason that Red Bull did exactly that – they followed a divergent path (as you point out in your book) and then their competitors turned their blue ocean into a red one.

    That said, the question becomes: is their 50% market share in this competitive market worth more than 100% of a market that has no competitors?

    In others words, has the category grown so much since they first created it, that they're better off with competitors? I would guess yes. (But it's just a guess.)

  • Posted by Stephen Denny on Accepted
    FedEx always said they never would be who they are without "Big Brown" (UPS). This was because of negative associations with UPS, not because the market needed two players.

    I'd attribute Red Bull's success to a Gen X "extreme sports" culture latching onto a fun sounding brand that gives them a massive and legal psychotropic rush. Their competition was Mountain Dew, which just had less kick to it. It was unique positioning, great packaging, and visible physical and mental effects. I doubt that Red Bull would have failed without Monster, Rockstar and the others. Red Bull is a $3 billion brand in a trillion dollar market. But they've carved out a nice niche to work in, so good for them.

    To answer your question, I didn't see too many clear parallels except at the most conceptual level. BOS was very specific about higher perceived value at lower delivery costs, which is brilliant stuff. It's been a while since I read it, though, so many of the specific lessons are a bit hazy.
  • Posted by Mark Goren on Author
    I agree, Stephen, Red Bull would not have failed if it their competitors didn't enter the market. Where I disagree, though, is that Mountain Dew was the competition for this brand.

    I agree with the authors' point on this one: they started a new category. New packaging, size, shape – all the cues for a new brand in a new category are there.

    Mountain Dew, on the other hand, was competing with other soft drinks. Red Bull was competing with other the other energy drinks to come.

    Muskie: Good point, saying you'll do something and acting on it are two distinct things. That's what I was getting at with my story about the agency I know.
  • Posted by fadhlul on Accepted
    I think it is about comparison. You see, our mind is adept at comparing, be it people or products. Thus, competition helps well in allowing the consumer/customer to compare.

    Indeed, how do you judge a product? Most of the time it is by comparing it with another product, don't you agree?

    Nevertheless, great discussion!

    ps: I have read both books and implementing their advice -- super-advice!
  • Posted on Accepted
    One of the biggest problems in marketing is trying to differenciate between the theoretical and the practical. Would you rather have 100 percent of a market with no competition or 50 percent of a market with a lot of competitors?

    In theory, I'd rather have 100 percent. In practice, however, I know of no big market without a lot of competitors. Computers, cellphones, energy drinks, beer, you name it. Every truly big category has a raft of competitors.

    The implication of Blue Ocean Strategy is that a company can create a unique category and then become the only brand in that category. In the long run, I don't think that has ever happened.

    That's the problem with convergence. The difference between the theoretical and the practical. In theory, I'd rather have one device that's a computer, cellphone, electronic calendar, alarm clock, digital recorder, GPS, etc.

    In practice, however, such devices are confusing, complicated, expensive and subject to almost instant obsolesence. Exactly like Swiss Army knives which capture the imagination and are seldom used.
  • Posted by Mark Goren on Author
    Thanks for all the great answer, everyone. I found this thread to be quite valuable and enlightening. Until next time!

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